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Yeah I’ve seen the HTC EVO. But I’m sticking with webOS.

By: , 5/26/2010 12:57 pm | 25 comments

The most common question I’ve received over the past couple months on Twitter has been: “What do you think about the HTC EVO?”  The second most common question I get is:  ”Are you gonna switch from your Palm Pre?”

After careful consideration, my answer, in a word, is no.

Don’t get me wrong… the EVO certainly has excellent qualities and Lord knows I’m looking at them quite enviously from my battered year-old Sprint Palm Pre (6/6/09).  I mean how can a gadget geek like myself ignore it? Gorgeous hardware. Snapdragon processor.  4G capability. 4.3″ screen. HDMI output. HTC Sense UI. Android Marketplace (actually that last one’s sorta “meh”).

Yes, sexy hardware is very compelling and will be enough for many, many people to make the switch. But none of those qualities have me jumping ship, and here’s why…

1) The EVO is still an Android device.

Calm down, Android fans, calm down.  I don’t mean that in a disparaging way.  If you like Android, then you will likely love the Evo.  But for me, after owning an HTC Hero running Android 1.5 for a few weeks, I feel webOS is the superior operating system, and not by just a little bit, even after newer versions of Android have released.  Heck, just recently Phil Nickinson from Androidcentral posted a side-by-side comparison of the EVO and the Pre and he raved often about how webOS bested Android on several fronts. This brings me to my point: if you already don’t like Android, high-end hardware ain’t gonna change Android’s pitfalls. It ain’t gonna change the user interface, it ain’t gonna ease your fears about privacy concerns with Google, it ain’t gonna change your being left in the dust with updates as soon as the newest Android device comes out (just ask your friends toting HTC Heroes and Droids).   Think of it this way:  if you don’t like Windows 7 you’re likely not going to switch to it from a Mac just because it’s installed on a kick-ass computer.  In Engadget’s latest podcast they essentially say the same thing.  Summed up: I’d rather interact with webOS on inferior hardware (ahem, for now) than Android on hardware that will only be new for a few months until something else comes along.

2) I’m married to webOS.

Notice in the title I did not say “I’m sticking with my Pre.” Far from it — I’m actually quite over this form factor, aging processor, and build qualityWhat I said was I’m sticking with webOS. Not only do I still think it’s the best OS to date, I’m also married to its ecosystem.  All my contacts and calendars are beautifully “synergized” exactly how I want them, I’ve bought more webOS apps than I care to admit to my wife, I’ve drunk the homebrew and love it, and I’m way too deeply entrenched in the webOS community, which is the best one I’ve ever had the pleasure of being part of, including Apple back in the day.  Summed up: I’m married to webOS because I love her. Her parts may be getting older but she still makes me smile.   I ain’t switching to some dingbat just because she’s fast and sexy.

3) Kick-ass webOS hardware is coming.

People have mused and speculated on what the new webOS device will look like. Though Palm has remained tight-lipped about this, some reputable sources have heard whispers of a faster, larger, sleeker webOS device, possibly with 4G connectivity coming out in late summer/early fall.  Rumors are only rumors, granted… but two things are certain:  one, new hardware is coming…  and much sooner than my yearly upgrade renewal date, were I to have chosen an EVO.  Two, I’m pretty sure Palm has learned the importance of sleek, quality hardware in this ever-accelerating smartphone race.

4) The future of webOS is bright and I want in.

Heard of a company called Hewlett-Packard?  Yeah, they announced their intentions to buy Palm not long ago, and they have indicated they plan to “double down” on webOS.  Certainly not small-talk when you’re the largest technology company in the world.  We’re talking smartphones, tablets, printers — pretty much any form factor within HP’s sphere — interacting with one another through the same operating system: webOS.  If things go as many people envision, these could be very, very exciting times indeed.  Personally, I don’t want to buy an HP webOS device such as a tablet (oh yes… you can bet I’ll be first in line in my town when it launches, possibly this year), only to have a phone that can’t interact with it because it has a different operating system.

In closing, I realize webOS is currently partnered to aging hardware.  I realize the next few months will be difficult on a tech-lover like myself as shiny new devices like the EVO and 4G iPhone are released while Palm seemingly lies dormant. But my gut’s telling me to sticking it out.  I love webOS too much and its future is more exciting than anything else.

(In the spirit of the NBA Playoffs I figured I'd bust this image back out.)

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About Dan Ramirez

Dan is a senior editor at webOSroundup. He is a physician in South Texas with an unbridled passion for webOS. He is very active on Twitter (@vara411) and enjoys engaging the webOS community.
  • http://twitter.com/Dijitek Sean Lyle

    Why not just have both like I will? I LOVE webos, but the hardware and overall lack of BIG developer support is killing me. Thats not to say I don't absolutely adore WebOS, but for what I need, in my personal life, work and running my own company, I need a little more from the phone other than pretty and cool. Look at companies sticking with XP over Win7 (sort of bad example, but still valid).

    The biggest killer for me at the moment is document editing. It's just not here and no clue as to how soon. I need to be able to get things quickly changed and back to customers. The nice thing though is Sprints Premiere program. Picking up the Evo with it and really hoping this time next year the new hot hardware for WebOS will be out and use it again. I really do want to stick with the Pre 100% of the time, but i find my self using the Pre just as a hotspot for my netbook just to get basic things done. While I don't like everything about Android, it offers me what I need at this point in time.

    Really hoping HPalm gets things rolling if/when the merger finalizes in July. We get some quality hardware and some more major dev support (read: big company devs) and WebOS will be back to 100% of the time. I'm not ditching my Pre in anyway, but it will be a secondary device for the time being after June 4th. I will be at least trying to keep up some Post Pre personal reviews on http://www.failbear.com.

    Random note: I almost feel the virgin connection with WebOS and the Pre. It was my first smartphone ever. Never quite saw the value in them over a good featurephone and a notebook. Always remember the first, well almost. Only vaguely remember mine.

  • Thomas

    I agree 1000%…I'm in it for the long haul also.

  • http://www.palmnewsdaily.com Kim

    Great post Dan, you really summed up so many of my feelings.

    I just REALLY REALLY hope that Palm announces or leaks something soon so the little bit of momentum can keep going. If they don't sell a new device until late summer/fall and don't announce it until mid summer I will be pretty frustrated (but like you I will be holding onto my Pre).

  • http://www.webosroundup.com/ DanR

    @Sean: Can you tell me how it is that you do that? You're talking about spending $200 for the subsidized EVO then another $600 for an unsubsidized new webOS device? I've always wondered about how folks can own more than one smartphone… I just need one, but in the interest of being a gadget geek I'm open to seeing how I can have the best of both worlds.

  • Terry

    I came from the Motorola Droid. It is a great phone but the lack of true multi-tasking killed it for me. Sure the market was bigger and had apps that I liked/wanted. I wanted something different and I ended up with WebOS.

    I feel WebOS is the underdog right now and I am willing to fight with them to get back to the top.

    Also I released my first app to the beta catalog. I always tried to create apps for Blackberry, Android and nothing came from it. It was so easy with WebOS (It probably helps that I am a web developer – lol).

    Shameless plug:

    Here is a link to my Simple Tip Calculator – http://bit.ly/df7mM3

  • Sean W

    I am still on the fence on switching to the EVO. I really, really love WebOS and how easy and aesthetically pleasing it is. I, like you and many others, am not too sure how much longer my Pre is going to last. Between scratches on the screen (my fault), oreo effect, case cracking, and some splintering I've noticed on the screen, I don't see it lasting until the next WebOS device comes out, and thats assuming it will be on Sprint first or early in its release. As long as the Sprint Premier service is still the way it is now, it will be an easy switch into the next WebOS device next year.

  • Sean W

    With Sprint Premier you can upgrade every 12 months. So assuming the next WebOS device is next summer, he can get the new WebOS device subsidized, it is exactly what I am thinking of doing.

  • steve woz

    First of all, the hero was running 1.5. Also you say ask hero and Droid owners. Both of which have android 2.1 now (the latest version). Some people with nexus ones have 2.2 but it still hang been officially released, people are using the press version that was released. Android market may not be perfect but it has more and better apps right now. Docs2go, dropbox, the future of Webos is dark and grim right now. People are leaving webos for other options. Until Palm does something soon than the road is going to continue to be downhil. Android has more features, more apps, better hardware, and is backed by Google. Right now even apple in trouble, webos is not even a twinkle in Google's eye right now. Just saying….

  • David

    The WebOS is great but it still comes back to the apps. There have to be quality, useful applications or the best hardware and OS don't make enough difference.

    Until they have a strong software offering (basic 2 wordprocessing and spreadsheet, preferably with a good database) then there is still no reason to adopt WebOS.

    I hope you are right that they do come up with a new device (Plus wasn't much of an upgrade) soon and the applications finally start coming in. With HP's resources and business focus they have to be pushing to get the developers to start producing applications. I don't think they need to be a copy of the MS apps, as long as they can open and save compatible formats that's okay if can do the basic functionality you need on the road. (It would be too much to hope that the integrated OS would finally produce the integrated document application, wouldn't it?

  • http://twitter.com/HumanRacehorses Harold Goldner

    WebOS is the promise; however Android has delivered. Not a fanboy; a 12 year veteran of Garnet who only left Palm reluctantly because, after all, these devices are *tools*, and I could not accomplish on WebOS what I can on Android.

  • reme

    My opinion:

    I have had an HTC Hero. I ended desperate about bluetooth not synchronicing with almost anything, my car one of them. Severe slowness on the whole device when you are out of signal, lack of sense of polish and lack of support from HTC till they finally wanted to update the OS a lot of months after it was already there.

    Sense UI is just a make up on top of android. Vanilla android feels just as a less mediocre Windows Mobile 6 (that I have also have), but at least up to date and optimised for touch. It is that feeling of having a computer full of features that you dont really use, or are weird to reach or you have to assume this is just a computer so is not gonna work all the time and you must live with that.

    Is not the same feeling you got with an iphone or webOS (even with those early problems we know about webOS, it felt far more polished than any android I have seen)

    The thing about apps is a bit misleading. It cant compete now, thats a given. But if you want apps and dont care about usability, just buy an old PalmOS or PocketPC phone, they still got 80% of what you need (i know you wont, me neither, but this is the misleading thing). You know reaching the rigth threshold of apps on a new platform backed from now on by a lot of money is just a matter of time.

  • http://www.webosroundup.com/ David

    webOS is the promise…Android delivered. Strong statement…it makes me think you are saying that Android delivered what webOS failed to do.

    Android hasn't fulfilled anything that webOS set out to do. It is a very standard OS. Nothing revolutionary. WebOS is a promise…it sets itself apart.

    Can you do things on Android that you cannot on webOS? Yes, but that is mainly because of developer support. This will change, and I believe it will change drastically.

    I agree with the fact that these devices are tools, and most people want the best tool for the money. Is that the EVO? Depends on what kind of tool you need.

    If you want a device that can play games, watch movies, and entertain you, then all android devices are severely lacking behind even the good ole pre (even thought they have much better hardware). If you are more the business persuasion then I agree, webOS is lacking in that department.

    It is all dependent on what you want your device to do.

  • http://www.webosroundup.com/ DanR

    I looked back and you're right. It was 1.5. Thank you for catching that. It has been corrected.

    Still, you didn't adequately address the issue of fragmentation of the OS. Yeah, Hero and Droid users JUST NOW got upgraded but they'd been waiting for a loooong time to get there. Meanwhile, ALL webOS users on ALL phones get pretty much the same update averaging a month or so between updates. Sorry, but that's a parity that Android can only dream of.

    I love to hear people go on about apps and blindly take swipes at the App Catalog. WebOS apps have actually become quite capable and currently meet the vast majority if not all the needs of its users. We DO have a DropBox app, by the way. On document editing, you got me there. But a) most folks need at least a viewer, which we have (docs, xls, ppt), and b) with Palm being bought by HP, this won't be a problem much longer.

    You say “the future of webOS is dark and grim.” Had Palm gone it alone, I'd reluctantly have to agree with you. But seeing as how it's going to be bought by the largest technology on the planet with plans to heavily invest in webOS, I couldn't disagree more.

  • http://www.webosroundup.com/ DanR

    As I told Steve above: webOS apps are really coming a long way. And I don't think we'll have to wait for HP to kick things into high gear: once we receive the next OS update and the framework for PDK apps is fully in place, I think we'll see a bunch more apps, and of much higher quality. It may well be that this is what DataViz is waiting for before proceeding with further development of DocsToGo.

    Your post really seems to center around doc editing as a cardinal feature requirement. To a point, I agree, but I definitely take exception to your statement: “until they have a strong software offering (basic 2 wordprocessing and spreadsheet, preferably with a good database) then there is still no reason to adopt WebOS.” … Hmm. Really? Because believe it or not, the vast majority of folks don't need that. A doc viewer will do just fine. BTW I'm one of the few who DOES need doc editing and yet here I am, with a device with “no reason to adopt.”

  • eid

    A timely and well-written article. It avoided the defensive fanboy tone that kills credibility. Some people are device spec geeks and others are more OS/platform oriented. I'm the latter. With HP aboard, Palm has a future. Developers may stay and write new apps. New developers may take another look at webos. If palm went under, I would go to android and I'm sure I could eventually like it.
    I think I am more fan of the hardware/software integrated model that can make a elegant device. I just don't like Apple's form over function philosophy, closed and proprietary ecosystem, and its annoying hype machine. (amusing that so many people have iphones- part of their marketing mystique is that Apple is a premium elite brand but everyone is sporting one) Google is growing too big and wants to leverage itself into everything. I don't see myself getting a Google device and jumping from one hero device to another trying to own the latest and “greatest.”
    I'm ok with keeping a device for a year or even two. If Palm keeps optimizing webos, my palm pre + will get faster (and hopefully remain stable). If developers support webos, I'll have new apps to look forward to until the next cycle of devices comes out. I don't care if Palm overtakes Apple or Google's marketshare or never does. As long as webos is a viable healthy platform that makes nice and elegant smartphones I'll stick with them. And if Palm fails to do that I'll look for an alternative.

  • Chts

    DanR, you see fragmentation as a big issue, Google does not. Google sees this as the key to Android becoming a consumer product. The quote from engadget sums it up perfectly:

    “Gone are the days when the ultra-geeky G1 was your only ticket to ride; now you've got dozens of choices, including high-end, heavily-marketed phones on American carriers like the Droid Incredible, Backflip, myTouch 3G Slide, and EVO 4G. What that means is that carriers and manufacturers are both successfully turning the conversation away from the platform, the technology, and the politics of Android — subjects that your average phone buyer couldn't possibly care less about — and turning it toward things that actually sell devices in volume: sex appeal, speed, and easy access to services like Facebook and Twitter.”

    Google is ramping up the development of android, coming out with updates every 6 months or less. Some see this as fragmenting the OS, others see it as a well supported OS from a major player, Google. HP and Palm are quite right now, and silence can become deadly. Hopefully an announcement is coming soon.

    I'm a happy WebOS user but will be getting a EVO. While there will be many WebOS users that stay; many, and I mean many are jumping ship to the EVO or Android.

  • Zipperhed

    Lets hope that Sprint doesn't screw us over again like having “exclusive” (Pre) on Sprint then getting outdone with better unit (Pre Plus) on another carrier. Cmon Sprint, get with the program don't *uck your customers over again. If you want to become a better company, do it from the start. Get us the good stuff from the get go. Don't leave room for your competitors to eat you up.

  • MJ

    Hi Dan,

    I posted a similiar comment on Precentral.net saying that people need to stop complaining and stop being cry babies about WebOS. Since June 6/6/09, the Palm Pre and its WebOS has only been out for almost one year. It will be a year on 6/6/2010. It takes a while folks and I'm going to be patient and wait because now with HP backing up Palm heavily, there will be some really awesome stuff to come out. HP has a whole lot of money to help Palm, so please folks stop worrying. Android will never come close to the powerful user friendly Palm Pre in my opinion. Just like Dan I've invested to much time doing cool things to my Palm Pre that I could never do on any other phone like putting patches,homebrew apps, buying apps, etc. This phone is truly the best phone I ever had. I've had old Palm phones like the Treo 680 and 755p which I loved both and I love Palm's user friendly experience. Yes, although the HTC Evo is tempting, I'm very content with the Palm Pre and what it has done for me and my life. Thank You Dan for this good post.

  • ken

    The Pre has something Android does not have right now. That's great 3D gaming. Along with elagant multi tasking. :)

  • ken

    Android does not have goood 3D gaming like WebOS.

  • Chts

    Yes, WebOS does have better multitasking. Its the one thing that I will miss when I get the EVO. But my pre was very buggy if you did not restart it every day. It would run out of memory, freeze up, and the touchscreen would not respond frequently. I would have to restart atleast twice a day.

    The 3-D gaming is better on Web-OS, but the games are horrible. Frequently I would see slow downs and choppy gameplay with Shrek Kart. I don't think 3-D gaming has the same appeal it once had. People seem to like more casual gaming experience thats fun.

  • Poberman66

    I wish someone would hack the webos on to a piece of hardware like the evo. They have it running on a pc, so why not?

    webos' integrated chat-sms is great. contact drill down is far superior to android.

    damn. i might have to return the evo.

  • Poberman66

    I wish someone would hack the webos on to a piece of hardware like the evo. They have it running on a pc, so why not?

    webos' integrated chat-sms is great. contact drill down is far superior to android.

    damn. i might have to return the evo.

  • zipperhed

    compacache kernel. It solves the Sprint Pre's TMC

  • zipperhed

    compacache kernel. It solves the Sprint Pre's TMC