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TouchPad on Trial: It’s the Ol’ iPad2 Switcharoo! [DAYS 11-13]

By: , 7/31/2011 11:07 am | 63 comments

We know a lot of you are on the fence about buying the HP TouchPad and are looking for brutally honest opinions from actual TouchPad owners. Our Senior Editor Dan Ramirez was in the same boat. So he took it upon himself to take the plunge and share his journey… will he keep it? Or return it?

Just joining us? Check out the first two installments of this series.

I know what you guys are thinking: please, not another iPad2 comparison! Well, this is going to go down a little differently than you might be used to. My good friend David owns an iPad2 and is an unabashed fan. He uses it mainly for pleasure (apps, browsing, photos, Apple TV), but is pretty confident it can do just about anything (are Apple fans any different?).

So for two days, we did a wife tablet swap – me with his Apple iPad2, and David with my HP TouchPad, including case and Touchstone charger. (No worries folks… I gave him a detailed orientation on cards, wireless charging, Just Type, Synergy… even the Angry Birds Easter egg!) You will hear impressions from both a webOS fanboy and an iSheep Apple devotee. Here’s how it went down…

David’s Take: Umm… it wasn’t pretty…

Within a few hours after our swap, I texted David to ask him for his initial thoughts. More specifically, I asked if there were any features of the TouchPad that he liked thus far. His answer was very tongue-in-cheek:

“Umm… the charger is cool?”

I decided to leave it at that for the moment.

When it came time to give the tablets back, he started off gently, giving the TouchPad its due credit… he repeated his admiration for the Touchstone charger, actually admitted that the TouchPad keyboard was superior to that of his iPad, and also liked that so many TouchPad-optimized apps were offered for free. His son had also enjoyed playing Angry Birds HD and reading Curious George storybooks.

When I asked him to give me the negatives and pull no punches… he obliged, only too happily: battery life was “not all that good,” it was laggy enough to be “bothersome,” and apps in general took way too long to load. He was most annoyed by the fact that apps would sometimes not load despite multiple taps… and Lady Luck frowned on me as he was able to demonstrate it right in front of me. “A Luna reboot will fix that…” I mumbled, though more to myself. While weight was not an issue for him, he did mention that a co-worker noticed the TouchPad’s extra heft right away. And then that’s when he said something I was totally not ready for:

“And this?” He started swiping through cards left and right. “I don’t get the point of this. On my iPad I can go to my home screen and launch whatever app I want. If I double tap the home button I can see whatever app is open and run it from there.”

I’ve always argued that webOS was one of those “had to be there” kind of things… perhaps two days with the TouchPad was not enough for someone used to iOS to fully grasp the power of real multitasking… or maybe he was on to something. Personally, having lived with webOS for over two years, I tend to think his problem was the former. Hey, maybe tech reviewers needed to spend more than just a week with the TouchPad, like ZDNET’s James Kendrick, who has owned the TouchPad for a good while and seems to be quite taken with it. Still, it’s HP’s case to make when enticing new users to the platform. Otherwise, what’s HP’s new mantra gonna be, “You’re Using it Wrong?” Hope not.

My Take: iPad2 is the best tablet on the market today. BUT…

Surprised? Well have you picked up a friggin’ iPad2 lately? It’s a thing of beauty. With their cases on side-by-side, the TouchPad is a friggin’ porker, I’m sorry. When David pointed this out, I was only able to stammer HP’s excuse about Beats Audio speakers and Touchstone coils… but c’mon let’s cut the crap, HP. Expandable memory or HDMI out would have been a much more desirable excuse. Meanwhile, the iPad2 is an engineering marvel from a hardware perspective. Many have argued the iPad2′s reduced weight is only barely perceptible versus the TouchPad but yeah, I could tell I was holding a lighter device every time I picked the iPad2 up. Plus, the software is buttery smooth. It don’t get no smoother, folks. Scrolls almost never hung and apps (many of which were at least decent) loaded almost instantaneously. Zooming out a bit more, I may not like Apple’s “walled garden” approach or even their way of doing business… but they’re obviously the ones blazing the trail here. All in all, compared to the competition as it is today, the iPad2 is the best tablet on the market. … Excuse me for a bit while I go wash my hands a few hundred times. ;)

BUT…

It’s not for me. While I inwardly gushed over the iPad’s many redeeming qualities, my appreciation for webOS on a tablet only grew while using it. See, I think I have it pegged… by design, iOS is meant to get out of the way, and it’s all about the apps. My problem with that is the OS doesn’t really do anything to facilitate your interaction with these apps. Sure, the folders are a good idea, but interacting with a stock iPad2 still remains a very linear experience. Tap in, tap out. Tap in, tap out. It just doesn’t flow. (Sound familiar?)

Not only that, I’m convinced Apple would rather you use tons of apps than freely browse the web. As much as the TouchPad’s browser needs to improve (seriously HP, keep working on this), browsing on the iPad2′s browser felt like an incomplete experience. Yes, I know this is controversial, and yes, I’m talking about Flash. I don’t care if it’s buggy, I don’t care if it’s doomed to die a slow painful death as Jobs would have you believe… but right now, today, a browser without Flash is an incomplete one indeed. It’s one thing to have tons of apps for an optimized experience. But as in the iPad2′s case, it’s another to cover up the fact that iOS cannot bring you the full web. That Apple has no intention to do so in the short-term bothers me. [As if on cue, go here for a much more eloquent take on this. -Ed]

Contrary to the TouchPad’s case, I’m not sure another two weeks with the iPad2 would have changed my opinion on these things. And, quite frankly, it’s hard for me to see oodles of untapped potential in iOS unless some paradigm shift in its inner-workings takes place.

As for YOU, TouchPad…

I’ve seen the potential in webOS since January of 2009. But that’s a damn long time to be seeing that which has yet to materialize. Sure, there’s been innovations, tweaks, and optimizations – Rome wasn’t built in a day, after all. But even in webOS 3.0, we users have had to deal with the same tiring issues – lags, freezes, battery life issues, lack of apps – for far too long, much less see our beloved OS take a revolutionary step forward where the market takes notice. I know there’s plenty of explanations and excuses and promises of that which is yet to come, but there comes a point where “chasing a dream” loses its luster, even for a starry-eyed webOS die-hard like myself.

As I left David’s apartment, he was proudly streaming Netflix wirelessly to his Apple TV from his iPad2 – obviously glad to have it back. Sitting in my car, I looked down at my TouchPad, blankly swiping cards to and fro… wondering if I had yet another investment in the name of under-developed potential left in me.

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About Dan Ramirez

Dan is a senior editor at webOSroundup. He is a physician in South Texas with an unbridled passion for webOS. He is very active on Twitter (@vara411) and enjoys engaging the webOS community.
  • Rojar19

    When the iPad multi-tasks it has to reload each app from the start, right?

    • http://www.webosroundup.com Ryan St. Andrie

      No. If the app was coded correctly it freezes its state when you open a new app. When you come back to it it starts where it left off

      • Frank

        Didn’t PalmOS used to do this?

      • Adaisguy

        It also allows tasks to finish any process they are doing in the background. Several processes will continue running continuously in the background as well, including music playback and GPS. This saves a ton of battery life and processing power.

  • http://emeraldreporter.wordpress.com Adrian Alejandre

    That last part, was so sad…

    Well, all I really want from webOS. Firstly is complete integration with Amazon services. (i.e. Instant Video, Cloud Player/Music, Kindle Books, All-around shopping, & Amazon Prime)

    I just want to put all of eggs (media) in one basket and not have to regret incompatibility. Like purchasing from the PlayStation store and knowing that their content is only view-able from the PS3, or PSP. Or iTunes… :(

    I don’t want ANYTHING HP!

    Secondly, well, I forgot….

    I’ll post part 02 Later.

  • http://www.dualsub.com Randy A

    Dan, your friend David might have been streaming Netflix on his AppleTV, but not from his iPad. The Netflix app is not AirPlay enabled. Netflix says there is no reason to enable it because the already offer an app on the AppleTV. If he’s jailbroken and using that AirPlay enable hack, well, he’s just not smart. He’s killing the battery on his iPad and delivering a lower resolution file to his AppleTV to play on his HDTV, which could play the full 720p that Netflix offers if he used the right app.

    As a somewhat proud owner of a Pre+ on VZW I want to buy a TouchPad. In the worst possible way. However, lack of apps is killing the idea for me. I’ve gone and seen it in person. Twice. I had to resist the very strong urge to buy it both times. Loved the email, calendar and browser, but I couldn’t do it.

    I can live with the slick back, lag and other things that I’ve read about and seen in my own observations. I want apps. Lots and lots of apps.

    It would take most, if not all of these apps to get me to buy:

    1. Netflix
    2. HBO Go
    3. At Bat (free or paid, though I prefer paid)
    4. Quick Office Pro
    5. Wunderlist
    6. Springpad
    7. DirecTV 
    8. Read It Later
    9. Dropbox

    I could ( and would) work around the loss of the other apps that I use daily on my iPad.

    • Steven

      Oh yah I won’t buy one cause it don’t stream netflix and do they even say if it will in the future?? I spoke to netflix and they said they would make a dang app for a toster if they wer asked to.. SO THAT BEING SAID IT’s HPS FAULT WE CAN’t STREAM NETFLIX.. FREAKING HP WHAT THE HELL IS UR PROBLEM???

    • Steven

      Oh yah I won’t buy one cause it don’t stream netflix and do they even say if it will in the future?? I spoke to netflix and they said they would make a dang app for a toster if they wer asked to.. SO THAT BEING SAID IT’s HPS FAULT WE CAN’t STREAM NETFLIX.. FREAKING HP WHAT THE HELL IS UR PROBLEM???

      • http://sorli.com sorli

        I’m amazed how important Netflix is to people…Americas universal entertainment babysitter.  People love Netflix Streaming because it’s quick and easy to pacify their children.

        We recently registered Netflix for 30-days and am hard pressed to find anything worth watching.  The most significant update for Netflix is their partial Star Trek collection and amazingly having streaming of everything except Deep Space Nine.  Why not everything?

        Nonetheless, after 30-days we’ll be dropping Netflix again for lack of content.  Sorli…

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XSOT55C3YQ45NX3KMWSHLBQM4I Anonymous

          because people have too much time to watch junk

        • http://twitter.com/tsaunders tsaunders

          Exactly how did you get that he wants it for his kids as a babysitter?  As a parent I resent that statement.  My kids don’t watch much tv if any at all.  I personally have it to watch some shows that I couldn’t watch or missed when the seasons started.

          Netflix is not for everyone but they are big enough that people feel it should be on their devices.

          • http://sorli.com sorli

            No clue about him and I’m only speculating based on my personal experience and the dozen so friends of mine who consider NetFlix  necessary. For me, it is pretty useless and maybe you’re one of the many who find old episodes of Weeds, A-Team, or otherwise exciting.   

            Everyone has an opinion and I guess our TV preferences just dont match.  Sorli…

          • http://sorli.com sorli

            No clue about him and I’m only speculating based on my personal experience and the dozen so friends of mine who consider NetFlix  necessary. For me, it is pretty useless and maybe you’re one of the many who find old episodes of Weeds, A-Team, or otherwise exciting.   

            Everyone has an opinion and I guess our TV preferences just dont match.  Sorli…

          • http://sorli.com sorli

            No clue about him and I’m only speculating based on my personal experience and the dozen so friends of mine who consider NetFlix  necessary. For me, it is pretty useless and maybe you’re one of the many who find old episodes of Weeds, A-Team, or otherwise exciting.   

            Everyone has an opinion and I guess our TV preferences just dont match.  Sorli…

          • http://sorli.com sorli

            No clue about him and I’m only speculating based on my personal experience and the dozen so friends of mine who consider NetFlix  necessary. For me, it is pretty useless and maybe you’re one of the many who find old episodes of Weeds, A-Team, or otherwise exciting.   

            Everyone has an opinion and I guess our TV preferences just dont match.  Sorli…

          • http://sorli.com sorli

            No clue about him and I’m only speculating based on my personal experience and the dozen so friends of mine who consider NetFlix  necessary. For me, it is pretty useless and maybe you’re one of the many who find old episodes of Weeds, A-Team, or otherwise exciting.   

            Everyone has an opinion and I guess our TV preferences just dont match.  Sorli…

          • http://sorli.com sorli

            No clue about him and I’m only speculating based on my personal experience and the dozen so friends of mine who consider NetFlix  necessary. For me, it is pretty useless and maybe you’re one of the many who find old episodes of Weeds, A-Team, or otherwise exciting.   

            Everyone has an opinion and I guess our TV preferences just dont match.  Sorli…

          • http://sorli.com sorli

            No clue about him and I’m only speculating based on my personal experience and the dozen so friends of mine who consider NetFlix  necessary. For me, it is pretty useless and maybe you’re one of the many who find old episodes of Weeds, A-Team, or otherwise exciting.   

            Everyone has an opinion and I guess our TV preferences just dont match.  Sorli…

          • http://sorli.com sorli

            No clue about him and I’m only speculating based on my personal experience and the dozen so friends of mine who consider NetFlix  necessary. For me, it is pretty useless and maybe you’re one of the many who find old episodes of Weeds, A-Team, or otherwise exciting.   

            Everyone has an opinion and I guess our TV preferences just dont match.  Sorli…

  • Rsanchez1

    It’s like someone who’s always driven their car on automatic being given a sportscar with a stick shift and wondering why it runs so slowly. Stick shift (and cards) give you more control and more performance, but for someone who has been stuck on automatic (and iOS’s multitasking) for years, when you first try out “the real thing” you think it doesn’t work, but only because you’re stuck in old ways of thinking.

    • Anonymous

      Good analogy.  However, bad for webOS.  You can’t buy a decent car today with any high end features in a stick.  Even the low range (not Porshe, Ferrari, etc.) sports car makers are selling sports cars primarily with automatics.  People frown at my stick as if my car has a disease.  HP needs to move webOS beyond that. 

      • JDM

        All the true racing enthusiasts live in Europe :)

  • http://www.dualsub.com Randy A

    If you want Amazon services you need to talk to Amazon about that. There is no Instant Video on any device yet, and so far there is no API for Cloud Player that I am aware of. Maybe you should hold out a few months for the Amazon tablet coming this fall. It will be locked to Amazon web services like the iPad is tied to iTunes.

  • DonaldB

    Dan, I truly appreciate the candor of your article. It mimics much of my sentiment…especially the bit about wondering if I have enough energy to wait for under-developed potential. However, I still wonder if your friend uses his iPad2 the same way YOU use a tablet device. If he is not using it as a “prosumer” then I doubt he can truly appreciate webOS cards and Synergy. As I mentioned in a previous response to your last article, I used an iPad for a whole week. Double-tap is okay, but not a replacement. First, since no app is ever shut down when you double-tap you have to horizontally scroll your list of apps to go back to the one you want. Second, there is no way to see multiple apps side-by-side…which is key for productivity situations. Cards and stacks is a near perfect way to deliver multitasking in a mobile OS, and this exists NOW rather than being potential. Finally, Just Type simply rocks. iPad’s implementation of Universal Search just leaves me wanting more.

  • Jason

    I eneded up picking up a Touchpad last night and in the last 5 hours of using it, and having the iPAD2 at work, I feel the same as you Dan.  The lag, pauses,studders, waiting for a card to open overtime does get to you.  The one thing I appreciate about iOS is, it’s simple.  They make it to be a almost like a 1, 2, 3 step process.  The battery life is amazing and their standby mode is fantastic.  What I’ve noticed so far with the TP is when it wakes up from its sleep mode or power save mode, it would pause or feels like it froze for a few seconds.  I had my first reboot in 5 hours of owning the TP.  It was in sleep mode, pressed the power button to wake it up, opened the email app, of course it paused; about 15 seconds later it reboots. I tested the BT connection between the TP and my Pre- and used the phone to make a call, the BT had lag and a lot of pauses so I couldn’t really hear the other side, and when I ended the call, the swipe sounds like when you press on a card, etc, it  became a loud pop sound like it couldn’t syntesis the sounds properly, but over time it went away.  When using flash, and I press on full screen, the controls or imprints remain in the middle of the screen and doesn’t go away in the browser (happened to be when I was testing with hbogo.com).  When installing a new program, it would freeze or slow everthing down until the program was finished installing.  I do miss the advanced gesture swipe fro the Pre phones, where, when in a full card view, you could swipe to go back or to the next open card. App orientation, doesn’t change to the right side as you hold it either, and I don’t know if it’s something that is programmed by the developer, but I would have to physcially turn my tablet around so that it’s not upside down, unlike with iOS, the app will rotate to correct its orientation.  But overall, I like WebOS potential and it really does work the way I do, more so on the phone with gestures then on the tablet. Really hate having to push a rectangular thin button to go back.  “Hope” HP will find solutions in a quick manner as I can see, for non-die-hard techies like us, they can’t appreciate webOS’s elegance.  Almost where ever I go, bestbuy, radio shack, etc, if I ask the question, andriod, ipad or touchpad, and 100% of the time they would say ipad or android, and stay clear of the touchpad.  But so far, it’s been a decent expereince.  What troubles WebOS 3 feels like the same troubles I have for my Pre-…

    • http://twitter.com/_DammitMan_ Dammit-Man

      For me, out of the box, the TouchPad was a bit laggy.  Most of this was due to the initial syncing of my Palm profile and e-mail accounts.  After the first 24 hours though things sped up.  Also, there are some good patches for the TP that will make it MUCH more responsive.  I HIGHLY recommend getting Preware installed and applying:
      1. Faster Card Animations Hyper Version

      2. Increase Touch Sensitivity and Smoothness

      3. Muffle System Logging

      4. Remove Dropped Packet Logging

      5. Unthrottle Download Manager

      • http://www.webosroundup.com/ DanR

        I’m well aware of the patches and have tried them… but they shouldn’t be necessary.

        • tech_giant

          Does that count for jailbreaking Apple or Android?? Why do they get a pass? If Apple is the best in the business, why are they bringing their precious OS’s up to Palm’s standards? That double tap button to bring up running apps was delivered in a patch. Notifications, OTA updates are coming to the iPad via a patch.One of the many rumors of the upcoming iPad is another Palm staple:wireless charging.  The best in the business right? Forgive me as I call BS.

          • http://www.webosroundup.com/ DanR

            Hold on a second. Patching to add features is one thing. Patching to desperately compensate for lacking performance is another entirely.

        • Mike5

          That’s like saying there should never be an update to iOS or any OS.  All platforms need improvement.  Until HP makes them available via update, patches can be used. To say patches or updates shouldn’t be necessary is idiocy IMO.

           I haven’t had any of the freezes, stutters, etc you talk about in the article.  Not to say they can’t happen, but your inability to explain the differences between true multitasking vs the double tap really surprises me.  

          Not saying TouchPad is up to standard set by iPad yet, but I was disappointed in this article.

        • Mike5

          That’s like saying there should never be an update to iOS or any OS.  All platforms need improvement.  Until HP makes them available via update, patches can be used. To say patches or updates shouldn’t be necessary is idiocy IMO.

           I haven’t had any of the freezes, stutters, etc you talk about in the article.  Not to say they can’t happen, but your inability to explain the differences between true multitasking vs the double tap really surprises me.  

          Not saying TouchPad is up to standard set by iPad yet, but I was disappointed in this article.

          • http://twitter.com/2254 Michael Marr

            Third party patches to improve performance should not be necessary.

      • Anonymous

        Right on Dammit-Man.

        When the TouchPad first came out I resisted due to my own perceived lack of need for a tablet. Fortune (Craig’s List) smiled upon me and I was able to acquire one at a price I couldn’t refuse. I can say after a couple of weeks it has become very useful to me at work and home in ways I didn’t really expect regardless of the pending document editing update and regardless of whatever Apple puts out or will put out in the near future. WebOS, for better or worse, is definately one of those “gotta be there” user experiences. The TouchPad is no different.

        I’m a techie by trade and just don’t find myself enticed at all by all the hardware interfaces of the Asus Transformer (Best ‘droid pad in my eyes) for the fact I can’t stand interacting with Android on a phone much less Honeycomb. Same goes for the iPads. I can, however, totally overlook the lack of battery killing hardware interfaces and a tiny bit of extra weight (Come on people, really? Cream puffs!) for a superior usability factor.

        In expected WebOS user fashion I installed Preware several days later with patches similar to the list above (Faster Card Animations is too placebo for me) and it became that much more apparent that I have a new unexpected personal appliance now. Say what you want about the App Catalog, there’s some really good stuff in there.

        P.S. To my surprise my girlfriend, who is not a techie, absolutely gets it and loves how it DOES NOT work like a PC or Mac. So score one for the focused get ‘er done interface of the tablet. Score one for the now and ever powerful yet modest and underappreciated interface of WebOS.

    • Tony

      I’ve had the problem of the controls remaining on in fullscreen on hbogo.com on my computer as well. I think it’s something buggy with their flash player.

  • Matt_99_hey

    this is a nice series, and it helps to open up the real problems and issues that are plaguing webos as a whole. It’s not a perfect OS, and it does have a lot of shortcomings. 

    I feel that they decided not to go with hardware acceleration because it cut into the battery life too much. So they decided to let it stumble and lag a little, so they could get their claimed 8 or so hours of battery life. 

    Webos users will always feel like that. Where they are basically opening up apps, swiping left and right, and doing all kinds of fancy things to make up things that webos cannot provide. It’s one of the fascinations with the cards that works so well, you can play with it. But for webos, it cannot look good on paper anymore. Its 2011, and people are looking effortless performance on par with the best of the best. not just fancy HP commercials with celebs endorsing their products that dont work anything like they do in real life. They need REAL performance. Honest results. That’s all. I don’t like when webos enthusiasts try and make excuses for HP, merely because they like the OS and are defending all the weak spots as it continues to have the same problems, generation of products after generation of products. 

    HP needs to play it honest. just like the article said, you do not make excuses for a device’s portly appearance just because it includes certain features. Instead, you make the product incredible thin and svelte and STILL include those features and amaze shareholders and consumers alike that the product engineers worked that much hard to make it come together in the end. IT’s always, what if what if, next time next time, soon soon. 

    MY biggest fear is that webos IS the problem. The OS can never been as slick and fast and intuitive as we want it to be, even when it’s at its heaviest of multitasking. And thats where Apple wins, because it presents guidelines  within the OS to let it run optimally. WEbos is a crazy puppy running everywhere, Apple, is the trained doberman. 

    When will HP grow up?

    • tech_giant

      You know what I don’t like: cynics who complain about other people compliments about their OS. Here’s a compliement I’m sure you won’t like. Multitasking isn’t done better on any platform better than webOS. That’s honest. If you doubt it, please explain why it’s being copied. Whether it’s blatantly like RIM or subtly like Apple. Yeah, Apple. Their idea of app switching is the most clumsily implemented “feature” I’ve seen on their device. Yes, I’ve done my own comparison.

      If you like buying apps that pay Apple’s 30% for work they have nothing to do with, go with the iPad. Dan’s right. The apps are what make the iPad special. Apple is aware of this and they are teaching the trained doberman another lesson from the crazy puppy. Good thing the old dog can learn not so new tricks. You can deny where Apple gets it’s next innovation from but I won’t. That’s about honest I can be. You are a jaded cynic. Can you admit that? Or do you need someone to tell you to play it honest?

    • tech_giant

      You know what I don’t like: cynics who complain about other people compliments about their OS. Here’s a compliement I’m sure you won’t like. Multitasking isn’t done better on any platform better than webOS. That’s honest. If you doubt it, please explain why it’s being copied. Whether it’s blatantly like RIM or subtly like Apple. Yeah, Apple. Their idea of app switching is the most clumsily implemented “feature” I’ve seen on their device. Yes, I’ve done my own comparison.

      If you like buying apps that pay Apple’s 30% for work they have nothing to do with, go with the iPad. Dan’s right. The apps are what make the iPad special. Apple is aware of this and they are teaching the trained doberman another lesson from the crazy puppy. Good thing the old dog can learn not so new tricks. You can deny where Apple gets it’s next innovation from but I won’t. That’s about honest I can be. You are a jaded cynic. Can you admit that? Or do you need someone to tell you to play it honest?

    • tech_giant

      You know what I don’t like: cynics who complain about other people compliments about their OS. Here’s a compliement I’m sure you won’t like. Multitasking isn’t done better on any platform better than webOS. That’s honest. If you doubt it, please explain why it’s being copied. Whether it’s blatantly like RIM or subtly like Apple. Yeah, Apple. Their idea of app switching is the most clumsily implemented “feature” I’ve seen on their device. Yes, I’ve done my own comparison.

      If you like buying apps that pay Apple’s 30% for work they have nothing to do with, go with the iPad. Dan’s right. The apps are what make the iPad special. Apple is aware of this and they are teaching the trained doberman another lesson from the crazy puppy. Good thing the old dog can learn not so new tricks. You can deny where Apple gets it’s next innovation from but I won’t. That’s about honest I can be. You are a jaded cynic. Can you admit that? Or do you need someone to tell you to play it honest?

    • tech_giant

      You know what I don’t like: cynics who complain about other people compliments about their OS. Here’s a compliement I’m sure you won’t like. Multitasking isn’t done better on any platform better than webOS. That’s honest. If you doubt it, please explain why it’s being copied. Whether it’s blatantly like RIM or subtly like Apple. Yeah, Apple. Their idea of app switching is the most clumsily implemented “feature” I’ve seen on their device. Yes, I’ve done my own comparison.

      If you like buying apps that pay Apple’s 30% for work they have nothing to do with, go with the iPad. Dan’s right. The apps are what make the iPad special. Apple is aware of this and they are teaching the trained doberman another lesson from the crazy puppy. Good thing the old dog can learn not so new tricks. You can deny where Apple gets it’s next innovation from but I won’t. That’s about honest I can be. You are a jaded cynic. Can you admit that? Or do you need someone to tell you to play it honest?

  • Louisoneal

    Love the series!

  • Louisoneal

    Love the series!

  • http://www.facebook.com/kevinonearth1 Kevin Mooney

    If you guys would do the “fixes” available through Preware, all those stutters, lag and freezes go away.
    Should HP be updating the WebOS to fix these things? Absolutely. But you can at least see the true
    potential of the Touchpad while you wait for the updates.

    • http://www.webosroundup.com/ DanR

      I’m well aware of the patches and have tried them… but they shouldn’t be necessary.
      P.S. I didn’t mention this in the article but……. ALL suggested patches were applied before the swap.

      • jbrandonf

        Sadly webOS didn’t pass even with a handicap.

  • http://www.facebook.com/kevinonearth1 Kevin Mooney

    If you guys would do the “fixes” available through Preware, all those stutters, lag and freezes go away.
    Should HP be updating the WebOS to fix these things? Absolutely. But you can at least see the true
    potential of the Touchpad while you wait for the updates.

  • http://www.facebook.com/kevinonearth1 Kevin Mooney

    If you guys would do the “fixes” available through Preware, all those stutters, lag and freezes go away.
    Should HP be updating the WebOS to fix these things? Absolutely. But you can at least see the true
    potential of the Touchpad while you wait for the updates.

  • Falconrap

    There is a reason why there are so many brands of cars, computers, appliances, TV’s, furniture, etc… For every 100 people there are 100 different tastes. The iPad guy loves his switching methodology. For whatever reason, it’s what he prefers. Most of us here, however, think that the method of switching apps on iOS is hugely lame, and very unproductive. It’s way too modal for me. I need to have a lot of things open to go back and forth as information and tasks require. Doing that on the iPad would be unbelievably frustrating.

    Dan, what it really boils down to is if the device is doing what YOU want it to. It’s not about whether it comes with the iWipe toilet paper dispensing app. It’s not about whether or not there’s a Netflix app for it. It’s about whether or not it has enough value and purpose for you. If it does, then why consider taking it back when you know a lot of the negatives are being addressed, and that more apps are coming (quite frankly, I’ve noticed that the app catalog is expanding at a rapid pace). Until this iPad2 switch, you seemed very content with the device, even in its current unpatched condition. Perhaps you should also load up Preware, put on the patches mentioned, and then evaluate the platform further with to see what it is ultimately capable of. After all, where would the Pre be without patches?

    • jbrandonf

      The TouchPad won’t seek unless it has enough features to cover a crap-ton of “you’s”.

      I’d suggest that no patches be used, regular consumers most likely won’t even know they should exist. IOS had multitasking through jailbreak long before it officially came, and that didn’t matter because the complainers got Apple to realize the full potential of their devices. Apple didn’t tell people to “just jailbreak” if they want those things.

  • Jescandalo

    Great write Dan!! Waiting for the OTA Update slated for today…Hope HP does not make any excuses and just delivers.  HP is almost oblivious to the fact that phones and tablets is the next big thing. Most of the people I know that have an ipad use them just because. I bought my Touchpad for work and it has failed me so far. It is neat, but unless the OTA’s get me access to work apps or there are apps launched on the Touchpad, then I have just invested in a potentially dead ecosystem. By the way, my work just bought the ipad for some work apps that I now have to support…and those business apps are available on itunes :-( HP, this is a Marathon, but everybody that is ahead is not slowing down; hurry up or get Disqualified.  By the way my Pre – on Sprint is almost dead… Love webOS, but HP is moving toooooo slow.

  • Chris Weston

    You gotta be kidding me about the battery life and size argument. I can get a full day out of my battery under heavy use. Thats enough… The size, really? JUST because the iPad is thinner makes it far superior? Thats such an exaggeration. They are both thin and are both mobile. Nuff said.

    If you want to point out areas of improvement then that would be making things more smooth and adding more apps. And we all know that HP is pushing HARD to bring developers on board (developer sessions all over the world).

  • Chris Weston

    You gotta be kidding me about the battery life and size argument. I can get a full day out of my battery under heavy use. Thats enough… The size, really? JUST because the iPad is thinner makes it far superior? Thats such an exaggeration. They are both thin and are both mobile. Nuff said.

    If you want to point out areas of improvement then that would be making things more smooth and adding more apps. And we all know that HP is pushing HARD to bring developers on board (developer sessions all over the world).

  • Truthtobetold

    I wish WOR will publish a weekly post of new apps,that will definitely excite a lot ppl cause right we are in the dark

  • Truthtobetold

    I wish WOR will publish a weekly post of new apps,that will definitely excite a lot ppl cause right we are in the dark

  • Kent Cox

    my apple friends tell me they wish their products could multitask like my  webOS phone and tablet

  • Malette

    One of my favorite reads in the series. You hit a lot of good points. People get stuck in their ways sometimes and unless they have a need to use something differently they can’t see the true advantages. I think there is no better multi-tasking on the market than that webOS offers. I do agree about it’s potential and am disappointed HP did not reach it as I expected them to. Things like lag and freezes and reboots could be tolerable if there were other things to compensate such as apps or real out/in ports. Flash is important in web browsing. I too don’t like the way apple runs it’s business and that’s why I have not bought into it despite many temptations of apps I desire. I will hold on to the dream that HP or someone will put out a true iPad competitor with webOS. Then I will own a tablet.

  • JDM

    I wish a new device with the Webos would come to Sprint in the coming weeks.

    • JDM

      Hmmm… No, response… Oh good :) And Brandon, it seems that your posting got sent to the wrong place or you clicked the wrong response button. Either way, good point you raise.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XSOT55C3YQ45NX3KMWSHLBQM4I Anonymous

    can someone clearly explain what exactly is multitasking in webOS and how is it superior to iOS multitasking?

  • http://twitter.com/Dev_Suruat Taurus Omejia

    I Like my TouchPad (notice I did’nt say LOVE). I was surprised by the quality of the enyo apps made for TouchPad. I did’t even expect to have as many as we do this early in the Game. (This is a plus, after feeling disappointed alot by webOS in the past, this is certainly welcomed.). At the level and rate HP is stepping up the developer push, I am optimistic that app will come.

     Where I take Issues with webOS (HP) is performance. webOS still has ways to go performance wise. I love using it, its pure pleasure when its not freezing, lagging, or rebooting on me (which it does quite often). For example one of my biggest complaint is that the keyboard (while I am in love with it from a usability and structure standpoint) many times will lag when I try to input text, It wont respond at all, and than all of a sudden the text come rushing in. There are other performance issues throughout the OS too that takes away from the overall good experience that is webOS, One that is quite persistent for me is this, when ever I open the memos app, and begin to take some notes, if I stop for a while or zoom out into card view, when i return to the app it becomes very unresponsive, and I have to return to the note screen and select that not again before I can resume (this is a huge problem, since its the memos is the easiest means by with I can type notes, papers, etc…).

    I must say that many of the problems that I encounter can be fixed via OTA, but really HP cannot afford to waste time. There are some Issues that I fear might continue to be a issue with webOS for some time to come (Slow app launch). People are beginning to notice that there is a device out three called a TouchPad, and with that attention people are gonna make up their minds about this product, we don’t want a bad reputation on our beloved TouchPad (remember the Palm Pre?). 

    After all that I will once again express my optimism for TouchPad. It can certainly go the distance. But HP has there work cut out. 

  • Brother Al

    Dan, another fine article, Thank You.

    Some of the issues noted above, are issues found even on the original Pre-. Sad

    HP really needs to get a fire team… Find these consumer noted issues, nail them down asap, then send out an OTA fix as soon as it is ready… Making users wait, while packing a pile of fixes into one OTA isn’t a good idea so early in the game. As noted above, timing is key here… battles are won or lost on one’s ability to adapt & overcome quicker than their opponent.

    I Agree 100% with the comments made about HP still being slow on fixes. In HPs case, they are doing a lot of talking right now… They can’t afford to have a bunch of bad publicity & general review complaints because folks need to go to 3rd party’s making fixes… I’ve said this before, if outside Devs can improve the product, then HP needs to hire them & fire the ones they have… Good deal, they must do it or die, (if they truly placed their future on webOS, which I doubt.)

  • nay

    What i don’t get completely is why the first thing everybody talks about is the size and weight factor and how important it is and how apples is so much better. Its completely not important to the functionality and usefulness of the product which is really why your buying it. In some ways, by us always bringing up this difference we are feeding into apples psychological games they play. again i think it is a part of the decision process but should be discussed at the end of the conversation. 

  • Carlfriendjr

    Here is the problem. I went to Best Buy in Morgantown, WV on Monday. I knew I was leaving with an IPad 2 with 3 G from AT&T. I looked at the Toshiba, Asus and Acer Tablets first. Acer was the lightest. I had no problem with the operating system. Going in I wanted programs like Snapseed, IMovie, Pages and GarageBand. I didn’t find nothing close in the Android Market! Next I walked over where the HP Tablet was. I was lost and confused and had no idea what I was doing! I have owned computers since Windows 3.11. I spent close to an hour trying to get anywhere with the HP tablet and Failed! I run Fedora 15 on my laptop and an open source OS should have been my first choice. Instead with Android the kind of apps I would usenare not even close to what is there for the IOS devices! What is needed is a Libreoffice, Gimp, Kdenlive etc ports to the Android and WebOs or else get the developers to port their apps over from IOS!

    • Bitscribe

      Lightest Tab around is the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1, also the best, far better than the iPad. I bought the HP Touchpad during the “Fire sale”. Been a Palm user for years, last one being the TX, until someone cleaned up & misplaced my charger. My Touchpad (barely) will do me until Samsung brings out the next generation 10.1 which I’m saving up for. For anything it can’t do, I have a HTC Incredible 1, for that, including for streaming NetFlix. I do hope HP has the good sense to take advantage of this incredible market they have just created & keep it alive, even if only in a 64gb version.